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Steve Schofro's avatar

Well, Sk is banned in the USA due to the LG SK lawsuit back in 2021. Can only supply Ford replacements. CATL took over Ford in 2023 1/2 for packs. SK may be a vendor through CATL. LG and SK probably no speak.

One SK person was a bit upset with that comment. LG was making the 4160 for Tesla.

CATL has a deal with Tesla in Nevada. So all these guys are all over each other.

TESLAs Asia cell vendors, due to their 40% or more market share, have to use Asian suppliers.

Samsung with NMC prismatic in the Jeep recalls. LG with the NMC LFP in the GM issues,

LG has all the NMC module issues for UBESS. LG RBESS recalls Australia.... It is so strange to keep up with this mess.

NMC is more profitable to recycle than LFP, but LFP's mass is better suited for graphene.

Recycling is a very low, .1% if you can find any facility with anything going out but inbound packs.

I reckon about 80,000 EVs annually are recycled. 18 billion pounds of cells produced worldwide in 2024 ( average 1000 pounds per EV).

With the overreach by the State of California, SB283, sub 8502, final October 6th, localities have no rights to stop UBESS. So the race is on. Others should follow suit until the AI crash. All the while, China produces more electricity from burning trash than it puts in its landfills. Black Cat, White Cat Learn Mandarin

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Neural Foundry's avatar

This shift from EV to ESS is a smart hedge against market uncertanty. The Tesla deal could be transformative for Samsung SDI, especially if Chinese manufacturers struggle with US market access. What's facinating is how quickly these companis can repurpose existing production lines. The Stellantis situation really highlights how volatile EV demand can be. I wonder if LG and SK will follow similar paths or if they have diffrent strategies for managing their US capacity.

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